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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="index.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">Struck out looking!!!</a></h1><a name="a36623_1"></a><p><b>From: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p><a href="http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/4/16/2952666/cody-ross-larry-vanover-red-sox-strike-zone">http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/4/16/2952666/cody-ross-larry-vanover-red-sox-strike-zone</a></p> <p>I am a lifelong Yankees fan but the RedSox got screwed on this one. Cody Ross took 5 pitches in a row, all of which were balls in my opinion, but Larry Vanover called him out! They were down by one run with 2 on in the bottom of the ninth and Vanover ended the game on this debacle! Maybe he had a plane to catch...</p> <p>I know this has been discussed before but this terrible officiating is really bad for the game... these guys make very good livings, several hundred thousand dollars per year in most cases. Where is the accountability????</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.1">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_2"></a><p><b>From: BogeysBGone</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.2">#2</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 16 Apr 2012</p> <p>Sucks...</p> <p>I don't know which were called strikes, but they were all fairly close - so Ross had notice that the ump was calling it wide. I bet Ross was just stubborn...and lost.</p> <p>I bet next time he starts swinging a little. C'mon....it's a big situation. :)</p> <p>Robb</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.2">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_3"></a><p><b>From: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.3">#3</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: BogeysBGone</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.2">#2</a>] 16 Apr 2012</p> <p>I agree that Ross has to protect the plate with 2 strikes. Especially after he saw the umpire call two balls off the plate as strikes. </p> <p>But that does not excuse the ump for calling balls as strikes... he was consistent, but consistently bad!</p> <p>I watch a ton of baseball, almost every Yankee game... I am continually amazed at how bad the umpiring is. I know it is not easy by any stretch of the imagination but it is so bad so often that it can be very frustrating.</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.3">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_4"></a><p><b>From: First Cut</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.4">#4</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 16 Apr 2012</p> Sorry, but the photo evidence doesn't support that all were balls. The angle is not dead on & really only # 2 looks very questionable.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.4">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_5"></a><p><b>From: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.5">#5</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: First Cut</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.4">#4</a>] 16 Apr 2012</p> Did you scroll to the bottom of the article where they show the strkie zone? All five pitches were clearly balls...<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.5">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_6"></a><p><b>From: jomama (SFMOY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.6">#6</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.5">#5</a>] 16 Apr 2012</p> please tell me that's not the first time you've seen pitches outside of the "K zone" be called strikes. it happens every day, many times per game. it sucks that it happened when it did. nowadays, the strike zones are a bit more stout than what the rules call for. pitches up in the letters rarely ever get called strikes, but pitches off the plate in the east-west directions get a bit more latitude. at least the ump did call the two slightly more outside of the 5 pitches balls, so there is some consistency there.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.6">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_7"></a><p><b>From: Hammer Dog (JAIME59)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.7">#7</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 16 Apr 2012</p> The strike zone is the width of the plate from armpits to knees. The umps rarely call a pitch above the naval a strike, so it's only just they widen the zone past the plate to keep the area equivalent, no?<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.7">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_8"></a><p><b>From: jomama (SFMOY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.8">#8</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> did you see the series of pitches to swisher during the bottom of the 6th? one pitch was low by conventional standards, yet called a strike. another was clearly shown as being at least an inch outside the black via pitch FX on mlb.tv, also called a strike. he was in an 0-2 hole and ended up K-ing on a pitch in the dirt. that's just how the cookie crumbles nowadays...<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.8">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_9"></a><p><b>From: First Cut</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.9">#9</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.5">#5</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b><a href="messages.php?webtag=GEAFORUM&msg=36623.5">AMO</a></div><div class="quote">Did you scroll to the bottom of the article where they show the strkie zone? All five pitches were clearly balls...</div><br /> <br /> They may have been balls but it was not clear to me ... or the ump. They can't show the strike zone with a still picture that doesn't reflect where the ball is the entire time it goes over the 17" area that is home plate. Home plate is 17" wide where the ball first reaches that point. It may end up outside that 17'' space at the point where the locations are shown in the photos. <br /> <br /> The rules don’t say the front of home plate, or the back of home plate, or the middle of home plate. It says it only needs to pass through any part of the strike zone. If a breaking pitch clips one corner at the front of the plate, but finishes outside the 17" area at the back it's still a strike. <br /> <br /> Either way, Ross had no business leaving the bat on his shoulder in that situation.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.9">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_10"></a><p><b>From: Polymer</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.10">#10</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: ALL</b></p> <p>Keep in mind that where the ball might've crossed the plate is not where we're seeing the ball in these pictures. </p> <p>The last ball looks right on the corner when you watch it live...although I can also see that being called a ball...<br /> I don't know which were called strikes in the game but based on what I see I would guess the 1st and 3rd pics..as well as the last..</p> <p>The thing is, with 2 strikes he should be swinging at something close and that last ball was clearly close...</p> <p>Also, the strike zone is not as high as the armpits...it is generally where the logo is...about the middle of the chest...and I generally feel they call it slightly lower than that...</p> <p>I didn't realize it was apparently changed in 1988..pretty sure it has been that way longer than that....</p> <p>IMO, they currently call the strike zone about slightly above the gut and just below the knees...</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.10">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_11"></a><p><b>From: Chris_NH</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.11">#11</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> <p>I'm only an occasional baseball fan (I call myself a fair-weather Red Sox fan), but it seems to me that many of the umps consider having their own personal strike zone to be their little kingdom; it's what gives them power and relevance. Rather than adapt themselves to the strike zone, they prefer seem to prefer the idea that batters should adapt to what they decide the strike zone should be.</p> <p>I'm far more of a football fan, and everybody knows that there are plenty of terrible calls in football. But it's far different to miss a call (which is human, and is expected given the all the activity on a football field) than to essentially be redefining the rules.</p> <p>Honestly, I think they umps could call a much closer (not perfect, but better) game of balls and strikes if they were held more accountable for maintaining inaccurate strike zones.</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.11">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_12"></a><p><b>From: HITTHEPIN</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.12">#12</a>]<br /> 16 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> Dude, Cody Ross was lucky Greg Maddux wasn't on the mound or all 5 of those pitches would have been called strikes!!!<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.12">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_13"></a><p><b>From: JL (PAR61)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.13">#13</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> I believe that is the same ump that called Jason Bay out last week on a pitch that was well into the opposite batters box, at least 6 inches<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.13">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_14"></a><p><b>From: Dan (HOGANS4LIFE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.14">#14</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> Taking 5 straight close pitches in a game-winning situation??? Seriously!! Get the bat off your shoulder woman. But somehow it's the umpire's fault.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.14">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_15"></a><p><b>From: No 3 putts (PORTERGOLF)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.15">#15</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.1">#1</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> <p>tell him he is allowed to swing the bat next time....</p> <p>waaa waaa.....</p> <p><br /> .</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.15">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_16"></a><p><b>From: bob (GUINNESSBOB)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.16">#16</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: Dan (HOGANS4LIFE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.14">#14</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> Bingo<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.16">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_17"></a><p><b>From: pingzinger2 (STCJONES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.17">#17</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: Hammer Dog (JAIME59)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.7">#7</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> Are u suggesting they widen the plate? I think they should just start using a computerized umpires behind homeplate...that would take the human error out of it. The umps behind plate seem to all have their own perspective on what the strike zone is. Far too much subjectivity<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.17">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_18"></a><p><b>From: HITTHEPIN</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.18">#18</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: pingzinger2 (STCJONES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.17">#17</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> <p>When you said, "computerized umpires" it reminded me of this article I read by Joe Posnanski. </p> <p><a href="http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/08/ball-strike-machine.html">http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/08/ball-strike-machine.html</a></p> <p>(my apologies to ethegolfman as I'm stealing of little of his thunder here) :]</p><p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.18">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_19"></a><p><b>From: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.19">#19</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: JL (PAR61)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.13">#13</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> Yes, you are correct... that pitch he called Bay out on was in the opposite batters box.<p><a href="lpost.php?webtag=&replyto=36623.19">Reply</a></p> <hr /><a name="a36623_20"></a><p><b>From: AMO</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.20">#20</a>]<br /> 17 Apr 2012<br /><b>To: Dan (HOGANS4LIFE)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=&msg=36623.14">#14</a>] 17 Apr 2012</p> Look, I am not a Red Sox fan and I am happy that they lost. However, I am a baseball fan and would like to see good officiating so that it is fair for both teams. Should Ross have been protecting the plate? 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