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From: Hoganman1 [#1]
 19 Apr 12:25
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Spring has finally arrived in Charlotte and our course is turning green. It's also playing "hot". The winds have kept things dry and we're getting plenty of roll now. Those 190 yard drives are now in the 210 to 220 range. The problem is the Callaway SuperSoft ball I've been playing simply won't stop on firm greens. I'm going back to the Pro-V-1X for my round tomorrow.
Has anyone else experienced this?

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From: JP (JPK75) [#2]
 19 Apr 12:54
To: Hoganman1 [#1] 19 Apr 12:56

I remember those later winter/early spring days vividly from our time living there. Many of the greens were still hard packed/not grown in enough to have enough bite. This was especially true at the course I played most (Rocky River).

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From: Hoganman1 [#3]
 19 Apr 13:01
To: JP (JPK75) [#2] 19 Apr 13:09

quote: JP (JPK75)
I remember those later winter/early spring days vividly from our time living there. Many of the greens were still hard packed/not grown in enough to have enough bite. This was especially true at the course I played most (Rocky River).


I love Rocky River, but haven't played there recently. I love the hole with the giant rock in the middle of the fairway. Not many top name architects would have left it there, but it sure makes the hole more interesting.
Where else did you play? Although I belong to a club, I've played most of the local courses over the years.

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From: JP (JPK75) [#4]
 19 Apr 13:29
To: Hoganman1 [#3] 22 Apr 8:01

We played many courses from Statesville/Troutman to LKN area down to Fort Mill, as well as areas east and west. Springfield is my favorite public course down there by far. ...and yep, love the rock hole at RR. I have hit it more than once!! LOL

However, we lived in Huntersville (2011-Jan 2015), so played near that area most often. Birkdale and Skybrook were ok, but conditions rarely up to snuff when the holding company/guy got into hot water. Typically would play Rocky River at least twice per month, Birkdale twice per month, and Skybrook time to time...then venture out a bit to play different places.

Work league was at the Mooresvile Goat Track (municipal)...BUT was pleasantly surprised by the redesign, and their First Tee program was fantastic for our sons. It was legit for a muni after the overhaul when we visited last year. ...We were going to join Cowan's Ford in 2014, but decided to move home early the next year instead.

Rambling off a list of courses I recall playing in addition to those named:

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From: Tom (TKTMSA) [#5]
 19 Apr 16:39
To: Hoganman1 [#1] 22 Apr 8:01

Yes. It's called "the joy of urethane"

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From: Snapperhead (ANDY804) [#6]
 19 Apr 17:56
To: Hoganman1 [#1] 22 Apr 8:01

I found the super soft would have an extra gear and simply fly about 10 yards further than normal. That can be a good thing, but was not consistent (probably me). I felt it was not great on the greens.

I am now a Project A player, but will always love the Pro V1X.

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#7]
 19 Apr 17:59
To: Hoganman1 [#1] 22 Apr 8:01

quote: Hoganman1
Spring has finally arrived in Charlotte and our course is turning green. It's also playing "hot". The winds have kept things dry and we're getting plenty of roll now. Those 190 yard drives are now in the 210 to 220 range. The problem is the Callaway SuperSoft ball I've been playing simply won't stop on firm greens. I'm going back to the Pro-V-1X for my round tomorrow.
Has anyone else experienced this?


Of course, I sometimes play the 2 piece when it's wet. When it's dry... urethane.

Try the Snell MTB Red ... spin, spin around greens. Similar to ProV1x at a lot less money.

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From: Problem Golfer (DON M) [#8]
 20 Apr 6:57
To: Hoganman1 [#1] 22 Apr 8:01

Yeah, same as what the others have posted above. On hard greens the soft 2 piece balls are no bueno. But when the greens are soggy, which here in IL is most of the summer, the soft ball is easier to use. I still like the control in chipping with the urethane balls in all conditions.

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From: sandmangator [#9]
 20 Apr 7:09
To: Hoganman1 [#3] 22 Apr 8:01

Pete Dye did the same thing with a rock on Haile Plantation in Gainesville

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From: Shaggy (SHAGBAG) [#10]
 20 Apr 9:06
To: Hoganman1 [#1] 22 Apr 8:01

They are the #1 selling ball for a reason.

Maybe not the X's, but the ProV1s.

Biggest difference vs. a Supersoft type of ball will be with the partial wedges spin.

If you can't get a 7 iron high enough to stop based on it's decent angle, the spin difference isn't going to matter that much.

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#11]
 20 Apr 9:25
To: Shaggy (SHAGBAG) [#10] 20 Apr 9:55

quote: Shaggy (SHAGBAG)
They are the #1 selling ball for a reason.

Maybe not the X's, but the ProV1s.

Biggest difference vs. a Supersoft type of ball will be with the partial wedges spin.

If you can't get a 7 iron high enough to stop based on it's decent angle, the spin difference isn't going to matter that much.


Most ams will be fit to the ProV1x - they need the launch, height, spin.

Guys that get the ball up, up - the ProV1

The guys that get the ball up, up, up with too much spin - the AVX.

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From: Shaggy (SHAGBAG) [#12]
 20 Apr 9:57
To: Mike (DESMOND) [#11] 20 Apr 10:58

And with the previous generations, the opposite was true: The X was the lower flying, lower spinning ball for faster swing speeds.

I really don't know what Titleist was thinking last year when they made these changes.

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From: BH (BUMBLEBEES) [#13]
 20 Apr 9:59
To: Tom (TKTMSA) [#5] 20 Apr 10:26

"Yes. It's called "the joy of urethane""

LOL...YEP.

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#14]
 20 Apr 11:00
To: Shaggy (SHAGBAG) [#12] 20 Apr 15:30

quote: Shaggy (SHAGBAG)
And with the previous generations, the opposite was true: The X was the lower flying, lower spinning ball for faster swing speeds.

I really don't know what Titleist was thinking last year when they made these changes.


That may have been before the 2015 version ...

I attended a 3 hr Titleist Ball Fitting with the guys from Mass, and with 7 guys - 5 were V1x, and two were ProV1/AVX - one of them hit it really high and with too much spin, and went AVX. The other golfer was on the fence, but he decided to go with AVX as the distance gains in mid to short irons was mind-boggling to him. They were willing to give up some greenside control for a lower, more wind piercing trajectory.

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From: Shaggy (SHAGBAG) [#15]
 20 Apr 15:32
To: Mike (DESMOND) [#14] 20 Apr 19:29

I have been playing ProV1s and Xs since they were introduced.

2017 is when they flipped the performance characteristics of the two balls.

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#16]
 20 Apr 19:33
To: Shaggy (SHAGBAG) [#15] 21 Apr 8:36

quote: Shaggy (SHAGBAG)
I have been playing ProV1s and Xs since they were introduced.

2017 is when they flipped the performance characteristics of the two balls.


Disagree - I played the ProV1x because of higher launch and height. But they did change the ProV1 substantially in 2017 to reduce driver spin. The V1x spins a bit more now greenside, more than ProV1.

If you look at marketing the V1x in 2015 ... if you want a higher flight. The con on the ProV1 was spin off driver.

But the now is now .... and that's all that matters.

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From: Hoganman1 [#17]
 22 Apr 9:41
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I did notice a difference in how the "X" performed before I switched to the SuperSoft last year. For years I thought the Pro-V-1 had more spin and flew higher and the "X" flew lower and was therefore a little longer of the tee. Apparently, that is not the case now.

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From: BRENTW4 [#18]
 22 Apr 15:31
To: Hoganman1 [#1] 23 Apr 7:33

I'll never go back to a Pro V1X. Then Taylormade TP5 X is just better in every way that matters for me.

But yeah, super low spinning balls lose their charm when the greens firm up.

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#19]
 23 Apr 7:16
To: BRENTW4 [#18] 23 Apr 7:38

Having attended a Titleist event, their big claim is that each and every ball is consistent with the other, whether it's the balls in the sleeve or the ball you buy two months from now.

The implied that others do not have this quality control, and you see the claim in their commercials. Their company is built on consistency from one ProV to another .. or whatever Titleist ball you purchase.

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From: BRENTW4 [#20]
 23 Apr 7:46
To: Mike (DESMOND) [#19] 23 Apr 9:27

Yeah, I know. Not sure I buy it. When your top product is being outperformed, you have to have some kind of angle.

I really think so many people just play Titleist balls out of habit. It's their default. One of my good golf buddies is that way with everything in his bag. He's a very good player, in his mid 60s, played D1 college golf back in the day. He plays Titleist irons, Vokey wedges, Scotty putter, Pro Vs, Taylormade driver, TM fairway, TM hybrids. Has for as long as I have known him. He'll never change any of that brand loyalty and every time one of us trying a new brand of ball he smirks and rolls his eyes ... ;)

He's exactly the kind of ball buyer Titleist banks on.

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