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From: jvincent [#21]
 23 Apr 8:11
To: BRENTW4 [#20] 23 Apr 8:23

I posted a thread last year about a guy at my club who was fully indoctrinated by the cult of Titleist when it came to golf balls.

Good player, probably a 2 or 3 handicap only playing once a week. Had ALWAYS played the ProV1x.

I gave him a Tour Preferred to try and he picked up 10 to 15 yards due to better spin characteristics off the driver. He's now playing the TP5x.

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From: HTG (HOUTEXGOLFER) [#22]
 23 Apr 8:20
To: jvincent [#21] 23 Apr 8:25

Part of what Titleist is saying, or implying, is that balls like the TM may give you added yardage but will that yardage be consistent? That is, will one TP5X go 10 yards farther on that 5-iron shot and will the next ball out of the sleeve go 15 yards farther on the same shot?

Personally I doubt it but don't have any data to support or refute those claims. It all comes down to how well the manufacturing process is monitored and controlled. And consumers don't have access to that.

There is no inherent reason a Titleist ball factory would give more consistent balls. But maybe they do.

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From: BRENTW4 [#23]
 23 Apr 8:34
To: HTG (HOUTEXGOLFER) [#22] 23 Apr 9:45

Putting that doubt in the mind of consumers is a solid marketing/sales strategy, particularly to the better Pro V1 player who thinks he's a precision iron playing machine, but to me it's the kind of thing you do when you've rested on your laurels and your premium product is no longer the best product.

Jim Nance smarming poetic about how consistent they are, and Peter Kostis now mixing overt Titleist ball advertising into his slo mo swing analysis, just makes me more sure than ever I'm done buying them.

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From: jvincent [#24]
 23 Apr 8:38
To: HTG (HOUTEXGOLFER) [#22] 23 Apr 9:45

Titleist is using the FUD tactic that IBM pioneered in the early days of the computer industry.

They made $76M profit on their golf ball line of business according to their latest annual report making it by far their most profitable division. They are going to do everything to protect that.

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#25]
 23 Apr 9:32
To: BRENTW4 [#20] 23 Apr 10:08

I think whether a ball outperforms another - ProV1 v TP5X, etc. depends on the golfer. I've read reviews where the results between them are slim to none, except for wind performance - Titleist always gets knocked down in reviews on wind performance versus TM or Callaway.

If we had/have time, we'd get fit for each of the OEM's balls, and then have a duel between fitted balls.

I'm not much of a brand loyalist, but I know guys who will only play ProV1 - we try to talk them into Snell, into CS-X, but no...

I use a variety - Snell MTB Red, ProV1X on deals or free, CS.

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#26]
 23 Apr 9:33
To: HTG (HOUTEXGOLFER) [#22] 23 Apr 9:45

quote: HTG (HOUTEXGOLFER)
Part of what Titleist is saying, or implying, is that balls like the TM may give you added yardage but will that yardage be consistent? That is, will one TP5X go 10 yards farther on that 5-iron shot and will the next ball out of the sleeve go 15 yards farther on the same shot?

Personally I doubt it but don't have any data to support or refute those claims. It all comes down to how well the manufacturing process is monitored and controlled. And consumers don't have access to that.

There is no inherent reason a Titleist ball factory would give more consistent balls. But maybe they do.


They claim that they have complete control over the manufacturing process - especially ProV1 line -- and that ability gives them the edge. They have an interesting story on how Acushnet was founded -- and it dealt with consistency.

Haven't seen anyone refute that claim... but everyone is now marketing aggressively against Titleist and Tity is fighting back in marketing - see their battle with Callaway where Tity compares its non-urethane Tour Soft against the Tour Caliber CS - a bogus comparison. Titleist should know better.

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From: NRJyzr [#27]
 23 Apr 11:03
To: Mike (DESMOND) [#25] 23 Apr 11:17

I have a buddy who was a devoted Pro V1 user. I got him to try a dozen ZStars by gifting a dozen for his birthday. He's upper single digit, below par iron player with excellent short game and putting. Over the time he used the ZStars, everything about his game improved. He remarked on holding greens better, better wind play, better short game performance... And he dropped his index more than a stroke with the Srixons.

Then his girlfriend bought him a dozen Pro V1s for his birthday and he's returned to The Cult. AFAIK, he hasn't deviated since his return.

It's sad to see one lost to the Dark Side

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From: Mike (DESMOND) [#28]
 23 Apr 11:21
To: NRJyzr [#27] 23 Apr 14:53

I feel your pain.

But I won an entry into a Titleist Wedge and Ball fitting event - 2 free rounds, 3 free wedges, 4 dz ProV1s, 4 free meals and drinks on the course, 2 nights in FL, and it cost $499 - not shabby and Titleist was great with a lot of swag.

Used the ProV1x with the new wedges, and they had stopping power similar to the Snell MTB Red, which stop impressively.

Still ready to test the NEW CS against both ... weather is warming up.

I think all golfers should compare. Personally, I think it's the Titleist Graphics that gets them -- they have the best graphics with that word "Titleist" and its simplicity.

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From: HTG (HOUTEXGOLFER) [#29]
 23 Apr 16:13
To: ALL

Got this email today, seems there must be more to it than meets the eye!

WINNING WEEKEND ACROSS THE GLOBE

It was a global sweep for Titleist as our brand ambassadors and golf ball loyalists combined for eight victories out of eight tournaments staged across the worldwide professional tours. Titleist golf ball players have now recorded 59 wins, more than six times the nearest competitor with 9.

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From: jvincent [#30]
 23 Apr 16:28
To: HTG (HOUTEXGOLFER) [#29] 23 Apr 16:32

Not really. My bet is Titleist is padding the numbers using the the smaller tours.

I haven't seen the ball numbers broken out by tour, but I bet that on the lower tier tours the percentage of Titleist players is higher than on the big tour because at that level the pay to play money means more.

If you look at the big tour more guys will be willing to play a different ball either because they get bigger $$$ because of an equipment tie in, thin Callaway or TaylorMade, or because they think it's a better ball.

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